Invoking Godwin's Law on the Far Right's Health Care Debate Tactics...

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For those of you who are not familiar with 'Godwin's Law', let me explain it's origins: there is an ancient discussion area of the internet called USENET newsgroups. It is basically a bunch of mostly text based groups that existed long before web pages and browser technology were invented where like-minded individuals would go to talk about things they like, dislike and otherwise interact. It's the wild west, with little or no moderation, where anyone can say just about anything. It is because of that nature that it appeals to many. Speech there is inherently free for the most part.

In fact because of it's openness many people still do go on and use USENET news servers, which are somewhat akin though slightly more immediate and spontaneous than what are called "mail-lists". Google and Yahoo just call them "Groups" though theirs have a much broader focus of available topics with a slicker interface. Anyhow, USENET is where Godwin first postulated his 'law' which essentially is this: "as a USENET discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches.", the now canonical corollary of which is that once this occurs, the person who invoked Nazis or Hiltler in the first place has lost the debate and essentially the tread or line of discussion is over.

However allow me to point out that it has always been considered to be bad form to intentionally invoke Godwin's Law in order to prematurely end a rousing debate. This is known as 'Quirk's Exception' (see post above for historical information) and is backed up by 'Formosa's Law' wherein "The truly insane [already] have enough on their plates without us adding to it...".

America's health care reform debate has reached the point where Godwin's Law must and should be invoked. By now you should already know who has lost the health care reform debate because they are the ones who "done brung Hitler and the Nazis to the dance", namely the far right wing crazysauce folks -- the birthers, deathers, tenthers, Beck-ers, Quiter-ers, LaRouchies and the rest of those who would rather help to divert attention away from the real debate using Nazis and Hitler as well as racisim to obstruct any real progress (more on the latter below). So call it game, set and match. It's over. At least the Godwin's Law part. I too am personally finished talking to "dining room tables", as is Barney Frank, the originator of that last and quite astute and insightful quote said. One cannot reason with the unreasonable. Better to let them yell or rant manically and as they do their argument collapses under the weight of it's own hubris. In addition if you ask them to go beyond the talking points they have memorized in their very non-thinking and sheep-like fashion all you will get is either a change of subject to yet another talking point or a blank, deer in the headlights type stare before they stammer and either repeat the same talking point or rapidly change the subject to yet another memorized talking point. Usually louder.

They have become both laughable and all too predictable. Desperation does that to them. Since Godwin's Law proves them and their debate tactics to be a hollow failure, they now turn to what I will dub 'Lazarhat's New Corollary To Godwin's Law' which is: "When all attempts to divert attention away from the actual subject of a debate by invoking Nazis and Hitler fail, they will change tactics and start spouting racial slurs and racist ideology instead..." -- which is precisely where they're going right now especially since even they can realize the absurdity of their Obama as Hitler and his administration as Nazis meme. It has become a non-starter amongst all thinking individuals.

So when they get in your face and wish to launch into yet another spittle and hate fueled rant about Obama as Hitler or comparisons of our government as Nazis (or fascists, socialists and Marxists for that matter), calmly raise your hand in a slow manner, placing it with the flat of your palm outward -- not on them or their face but near it, signifying the universally accepted symbol for 'STOP' and then tell them softly yet firmly "yeah whatever -- that's what all the negativists and nihilists say...", then lower your hand, smirk inwardly (if you must smirk at all), turn on your heels rapidly and walk away. You've got about a ten second head start before their head explodes while they try to figure out exactly what you meant.

Or when they get in your facebook and tell you that you MUST watch Glenn Beck, do likewise and say "yeah whatever, that is what ALL the racists say..."

-Laz

(pelase see the post above for a possible personal historical connection to the character of Quirk as mentioned in 'Quirk's Exception' to 'Godwin's Law'... just for giggles.)

Say goodbye, Mr. Beck...

The drive to push Glenn Beck off of national television continues with a total of 33 advertisers dropping support for his Fox New infotainment show. The drive, hardly a couple of weeks old, is being spearheaded by colorofchange.com

It doesn't matter if he has one of the highest rated shows on Fox. No amount of ratings from crazy or racist viewers will support a television production if there are no advertisers. So, buh-bye, Glenn. And to those who scream "but you're limiting his free speech!" -- no, we're expressing ours by standing up to him and his hateful and often disingenuous rhetoric.

-Laz

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, oh so very damn wrong!

These guys know EXACTLY what they are saying and why they are saying it.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/09/19/attack-by-association-viewed-as-fair-game-by-mccain-camp/

and:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_aide_Campaign_tired_of_catching_0923.html

As I predicted, the GOP are using more racially charged phrases to talk about their opponent -- Salter said to "expect more of the same, saying the campaign was tired of “catching the spears.” -- because Obama is what?!? Both you and I know where this is leading to... they said this because the context of the racial stereotypes they wish use against Obama play right into the phrase "spearchucker". See the "racial slur" part.

I'm NOT agreeing... in fact I am flabberghasted they are getting away with it while the main stream media seems to be doing it's best to NOT notice. I am pointing out yet another instance where the GOP is using historically charged catch phrases with which to attempt to define their opponent, Barack Obama. They are courting the KKK wing of the party each and every time they play these type of word games and I am 100% abso-friggin-lutely sure it is because they know exactly what it is they are saying while appearing to be coy about it.

They've already used "uppity" via the proxy of two southern GOP members in recent interviews and now they get even less subtle with this quote DIRECTLY from the lips of a McCain campaign aide? It is shameful and an embarrassment to a country whose existence and perhaps even the very pretext of said existence should be about our inclusiveness and diversity as a country -- NOT about the racial epithets used and whose use was originally perfected to serve the agenda of hateful segregationists during the 19th and 20th centuries.

Again, expect a lot more of the same type of bullshit from the Rove educated GOP 'insane clown posse' before they engage with the Obama campaign to actually deal with the real issues. They are now completely out of gas and only this type of crap can refuel their efforts. Because of this, John McCain (who I imagine had a little chuckle to himself when he heard this quote because that's the kind of guy I believe him to be) once again proves his unfitness to serve as commander in chief of this country. He can't even run and control his own damn campaign -- how do we expect he'll be able to run an entire country with asshat aides like this one REALLY running things for him?

-Laz

Insanely funny stuff from Scholars&Rogues...

This:

http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/09/17/lady-die-de-rothschild-elitism-and-the-final-episode-of-punkd/#more-4090

especially this line:

"Sweet fancy ballroom dancing Jesus - is this the Supreme High Queen of the Mystical Land of Douchebagistan or what? Let’s review her pedigree résumé, shall we?"...

This is an article about how Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a former Hillary Clinton supporter has apparently thrown the Democrats and specifically Barack Obama under the bus.

A Rothschild (even if she is only one by marriage) calling Obama elitist? Oh, please. Stop. I'm laughing so hard my sides are hurting. I'm only surprised that she didn't also call him "uppity". More on that below. Oh and by the way, Lynn -- "kettle".

I'm going to take a WAG (wild ass guess) on this one and say that ultimately her disapproval of Obama is -- wait for it -- deeply seated and thinly veiled unspoken racism. There. I said it. We've already seen not one but two, count 'em, TWO southern Republican politicians brand Obama as (quoting) "uppity". Yes. That's a well known and highly charged code word when it issues from the lips of a racist and I think most of us know what the REST of that commonly used phrase is EXACTLY. It's ugly, it's backwards thinking and it is 100% WRONG. This is the 21st century, people. Not only is it time for us to move on from the 20th century, it is WELL PAST TIME for us to move WAY BEYOND the 1850s.

I am now predicting that we're going to see much more type of ugliness as we get closer to election day and a frantic amount of veiled racism directed towards Barack Obama as the ship of the McCain-Palin ticket sinks on the iceberg of their own clueless stupidity.

-Laz
(a Republican voting FOR Obama)